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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by scrappy » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:12 pm

RegularGuy wrote:so i read 594 and it simply states that they want background checks for all firearms purchases. whats so bad about that? already got to do one if you buy a gun from the gunshop. if they pass this then that means you would have to go to a ffl and do a background check if you bought a firearm from this site correct? what about trading firearm for another firearm? also im sure it wont be that bad if they do pass this into law since we all should have a clean record and no felonies right? and the way its looking they just might win this battle. with all the money they have raised and all.
There are two problems with the concept. First is that it places your Constitutional right into the hands of another to say yes or no.
But the big problem is this. Background checks require money, the same as any other government operation, right? If no money is appropriated to fund the check system then no gun purchases can be made, at all. All they have to do to stop all gun transactions in the state if fail to fund the program.
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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by Bourbon » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:59 pm

eddiei wrote:What date is the vote?

November 4, 2014.
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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by EWU92 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:13 pm

So when it passes (if it passes) will the state have a booth set up at gunshows where background checks are performed? Will purchases/transfers be subject to state tax when conducted private party?
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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by Call Turner » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:51 pm

You know the state won't have anything, especially on weekends. Maybe enforcement.And the good governor ask for taxs, :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:
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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by bladebum » Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:49 am

EWU92 wrote:So when it passes (if it passes) will the state have a booth set up at gunshows where background checks are performed? Will purchases/transfers be subject to state tax when conducted private party?
I would think that the transfers would be at a FFL dealer booth for those dealers that would want to perform that service, for a fee of course. Yep, the state will want their tax money which the FFL will have to collect and report. Brings up a question on storage due to waiting periods and interstate transfers. Don't think in the long term it will totally kill gun shows, but it will certainly slow them to a crawl for long time until the public gets used to paying higher prices and doing the paperwork. If this comes to be, I would think that more business will be driven to the storefront dealers for legal purchases and also to the dark alleys for illegal ones. I truly hope this does not pass... :(
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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by M&P670 » Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:32 am

watching kxly 4 news this morning, they ran a pro I-594 commercial. where can we get anti 594 bumper stickers or yard signs ?
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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by SMITTYII » Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:41 am

M&P670 wrote:watching kxly 4 news this morning, they ran a pro I-594 commercial. where can we get anti 594 bumper stickers or yard signs ?
I am sure the “Second Amendment Foundation” will be passing them out at the Gun Show at the end of the month. They have taken the “Lead” on this, as the NRA has really taken a back seat!
At the last Spokane Gun Show, I joined The” Second Amendment Foundation”, after they were the only ones there (NRA empty table)! If I was not a LIFE MEMBER of the NRA, I would not ever pay my Dues again and will no longer contribute to any of their functions, all my Donations will go to the “Second Amendment Foundation”
At the Pasco Gun Show the NRA did have a table, so I asked why no one was at the Spokane show. He said Robin was supposed to take care of it! I guess maybe some dealers are looking at the money they will make on transfers, if it passes and not at us losing our “2nd Amendment Rights”!
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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by SMITTYII » Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:00 am

M&P670 wrote:watching kxly 4 news this morning, they ran a pro I-594 commercial. where can we get anti 594 bumper stickers or yard signs ?
Sorry, went off on my "Rant"!
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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by kelevra » Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:00 am

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RegularGuy wrote:so i read 594 and it simply states that they want background checks for all firearms purchases. whats so bad about that? already got to do one if you buy a gun from the gunshop. if they pass this then that means you would have to go to a ffl and do a background check if you bought a firearm from this site correct? what about trading firearm for another firearm? also im sure it wont be that bad if they do pass this into law since we all should have a clean record and no felonies right? and the way its looking they just might win this battle. with all the money they have raised and all.
And read further, NO loaning of guns with out paperwork. so you can't even give your kid a gun to deer hunt with for the weekend. Or your buddy can't try your new pistol at the range - even when your there.Lots more socialist garbage written in there than what you think! NEVER vote for more laws !
They call it ," Closing the registration loop hole." They don't even mention the loaning of firearms in the commercial. Basically, my wife and kids can't use my firearm in self defense without breaking the law?
If this is true then this complicates matters for many gun owners included law enforcement. My wife doesn't even want to own a firearm cause she simply knows she can use mine at home. Ive trained my son how to use my firearms in a defensive situation too.
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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by Call Turner » Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:22 am

That's pretty much the way I understand it, no loaning of guns for a weekend hunt or a season. No passing down from father to son or brother to brother. Sounds like the beginning of complete control.
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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by RWRAK47 » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:04 am

I truly hope we cna beat this one. As stated before the only people it hurts are us law abiding citizens who just want to help locals out by putting a little cash in their pocket and not pay allo the extra transfer fees and bulls**t. I own more than a few rifles I have purchased on SGT and I can assure you the only crime any of them have been envolved in is not being shot enough. Some of them are neglected lol. I for one can honestly say whether it passes or not I will not follow an unconstitutional law passed by the Democratic Progressive Socialist movement. Our founding fathers would kick all of our asses if we let such a law set the standard for what is and isn't exceptable. Once enough of us stand up and continue doing business as usual they will have no choice but to overturn it if it passes because they can't lock all of us up and that's a fact. So we must be the ones to draw the line in the sand and say enough is enough because we've all heard this before and I honestly believe our founders would have been shooting by now.

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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by eddiei » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:54 am

I agree , let's get out and vote it down. It would sure put a Damper on things
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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by bladebum » Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:37 pm

bladebum wrote:
EWU92 wrote:So when it passes (if it passes) will the state have a booth set up at gunshows where background checks are performed? Will purchases/transfers be subject to state tax when conducted private party?
I would think that the transfers would be at a FFL dealer booth for those dealers that would want to perform that service, for a fee of course. Yep, the state will want their tax money which the FFL will have to collect and report. Brings up a question on storage due to waiting periods and interstate transfers. Don't think in the long term it will totally kill gun shows, but it will certainly slow them to a crawl for long time until the public gets used to paying higher prices and doing the paperwork. If this comes to be, I would think that more business will be driven to the storefront dealers for legal purchases and also to the dark alleys for illegal ones. I truly hope this does not pass... :(
I read the complete text of 594 today and here is a couple of points that is different than I stated above and/or before...
It reads that sales tax won't be charged when doing a private to private transfer via an FFL. (We'll see how long that lasts) (FFL transfer fees, yes)
The penalty for each illegal transfer is a Gross Misdemeanor. (not a felony)
This whole initiative is a major pile of crap that needs to be voted down!
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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by scrappy » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:37 pm

Have we all heard the recent proliferation of "gun safety" commercials? Very annoying. I am all for voting down BOTH 594 & 591. We have no need for either one, Just more laws to make some politician feel like they did their job.

Encourage everyone to vote no on both!!!!!
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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by SMITTYII » Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:42 am

bladebum wrote:
bladebum wrote:
EWU92 wrote:So when it passes (if it passes) will the state have a booth set up at gunshows where background checks are performed? Will purchases/transfers be subject to state tax when conducted private party?
I would think that the transfers would be at a FFL dealer booth for those dealers that would want to perform that service, for a fee of course. Yep, the state will want their tax money which the FFL will have to collect and report. Brings up a question on storage due to waiting periods and interstate transfers. Don't think in the long term it will totally kill gun shows, but it will certainly slow them to a crawl for long time until the public gets used to paying higher prices and doing the paperwork. If this comes to be, I would think that more business will be driven to the storefront dealers for legal purchases and also to the dark alleys for illegal ones. I truly hope this does not pass... :(
I read the complete text of 594 today and here is a couple of points that is different than I stated above and/or before...
It reads that sales tax won't be charged when doing a private to private transfer via an FFL. (We'll see how long that lasts) (FFL transfer fees, yes)
The penalty for each illegal transfer is a Gross Misdemeanor. (not a felony)
This whole initiative is a major pile of crap that needs to be voted down!
As far as "Sales Tax" goes, if this passes, you will not only pay a 'Transfer Fee' to an FFL Holder (No Set Price), they will then start charging a "Usage Tax" as they did on "Internet sales of Firearms"! This was done with the "Stroke of a Pen" by Washington State Governor Christine Gregorie!
So I am Sure Gov. Jay Inslee will follow Suite!

Tax on the interstate transfer of a firearm A Washington gun dealer is required to collect use tax from a Washington buyer at the time the firearm is delivered to the buyer. Use tax is collected on the total purchase price, including freight/delivery and insurance charges.

If the purchase price is not evident, it is up to the gun dealer to determine the taxable amount by either requiring the purchaser to show the purchase price or by obtaining the selling price from the out-of-state seller.

If for whatever reason, the Washington dealer is still unable to obtain the original purchase price, the current fair market value of the firearm should be used. (RCW 82.12.010) Current fair market values may be determined by the insured value, a recent appraisal, or a reliable resource such as a respected publisher of gun values. (Values are subject to audit verification.)
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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by Rigger28 » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:26 pm

I would like to apologize beforehand to all members of this site who live in western Washington. I appreciate you guys living amongst the enemy and grinding it out each day so I don't have to. I am sick and tired of looking at the post-presidential election voting map and seeing 98% of our state in the red with one bright blue blinking beacon representing Seattle. What can we do to change this? I am also tired of people fleeing California and bringing their hippie/liberal mindset up to Washington with them. I don't understand how Idaho can continue to uphold conservative values and have an EXCELLENT economy with a cheap cost of living while we are shooting ourselves in the feet with stupid laws like LEGALIZING MARIJUANA!!! We are neighboring states for gosh sakes. How can they be so much better off than us? We need to take a few lessons from Idaho's playbook. Oregon is in the same boat as us unfortunately, law makers and lobbyists in Seattle and Portland have ZERO clue on what their constituents really want. I'm sorry for the rant, sometimes I just need to vent. If someone knows of a good cause or group I can join to start making changes in our state please let me know.

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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by EWU92 » Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:31 pm

THIS COULD NOT HAVE COME AT A WORSE TIME 'SEATTLE SCHOOL SHOOTING'

2 dead, including gunman, in high school shooting

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MARYSVILLE, Wash. (AP) — A student opened fire in a high school cafeteria north of Seattle on Friday, killing at least one person and shooting several others in the head, officials said. The gunman also died in the attack.

Marysville Police Commander Robb Lamoureux said the shooter was a student at Marysville Pilchuck High School, but he could not provide more information including what prompted the shooting, who the gunman was and who he shot. Lamoureux said he did not know if the shooter died of a self-inflicted wound.

Four other young people were brought to Providence Everett medical center, said Chief Medical Officer Joanne Roberts. Three had head wounds and were in "critical" condition, while one considered stable enough to transport was taken to another medical center in Seattle, she said.

Students who were in the cafeteria at the time said the gunman stared at the students as he shot them. They described a chaotic scene at the school, located about 30 miles north of Seattle, as students started running away from the cafeteria and building after the shots were fired.

Student Alan Perez told KING-TV he was eating his lunch at a nearby table when he heard the gunshots.

"He had a little gun in his hand. I saw the flash from the muzzle," he said.

Another student, Austin Taylor, told the station the shooter "was just staring down every one of his victims as he shot them."

Cedar Parker, a 17-year-old senior, told The Associated Press he was driving away from the campus for lunch when he saw students running from the school and trying to jump a fence. Parker let several of them in his car. He heard other students yelling for their friends: "Where are you?"

Parker would have been nearby if he had chosen to eat in the cafeteria, he said: "Leaving saved my life."

A crowd of parents waited in the parking lot outside a nearby church where they were being reunited with their children. Buses pulled up periodically to drop off students evacuated from the school, with some running to hug their mothers or fathers. Some parents were sent back to their cars to get their identifications before they could leave with their children.

Ayn Dietrich, an FBI spokeswoman in Seattle, said the agency had personnel on their way to the scene to help authorities with the investigation.

The latest school shooting in the region happened at Seattle Pacific University, where a gunman killed one student and wounded two others on June 5.

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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by eddiei » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:41 pm

Please please don't pass , anyone worried?
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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by eddiei » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:32 pm

So I just read it passed congrats wa. Thanks for f&$cking us over
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Re: Seattle starts 594 push

Post by GreyGoose » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:39 pm

Need to split the state in half, or give the west side a third and keep the rest... they are not in tune with reality.

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