archon33 wrote:Ok, I've been called out. So let's put this to rest here.
It's great that Orhpan has all that money, time and energy to spend for the cause. Many, like me, don't. Not any more. So I do what I can. What I DON'T do is sit around on a computer all day constantly whining about which way the wind blows and dictating that everyone should blow the other way. I know for a fact that this Olympia rally won't have any significant impact. I'm old. I have over 40 years of participation in political activities of one sort or another, and I have NEVER attended or even heard of a rally that accomplished anything substantial. Not by itself. A rally is a success ONLY when the participants are representing a political force. A group of individuals with no formally defined agenda or affiliation is NOT a political force: it is a mob. Politicians love those kinds of demonstrations because it allows the participants to vent their frustrations and then go home feeling better, and generally behave themselves with little or no further disturbance. These people get their 15 minutes of fame then go home and pat themselves on the back. And that's exactly what happened with the anti-Feinstien rally. Not a political force, and if you had talked with the politicians afterwards they never mentioned the rallies having any influence on their decision.
But just a few individuals WITH a formally defined affiliation and purpose IS a political force. It is the power BEHIND the rally. And rally or not, such organizations are quickly recognized and given priority above masses of disorganized individuals for the simple reason that any politician can address all the members of the organization just by addressing the organization. This is not my opinion, it's Political Science 101, and anyone who has been in the game as long as, say, Orphan, should know that much by now.
Promises?
I really don't care for the attitudes on this board. Especially when someone tells me my facts about the law are wrong when they weren't, and then not only can't admit his mistake after proving I was right but defends himself with even more , I also don't like it when someone tells me I'm part of the problem (while incorrectly paraphrasing that I'm suggesting people should do nothing) just because I happened to propose a different way of fighting the anti-gunners based on what is clearly a different understanding of the political system. No questions were asked for clarification, or even a check of my previous posts to find out where I stand. Just snap judgement. That's called "prejudice". So I don't know where Orhpan is seeing this double-standard because all I see is my-way-or-the-highway attitudes. I can be civil in any discussion but not with people who can't exercise some basic human respect. So far that hasn't been the case which is why I said I was done with this topic, and I'm only writing this to set the record straight on where I'm coming from. So I'll walk away again. But if someone want's to misalign my character again then I will most certainly come back. Again.
I continually find it amazing that you, a newcomer to this site with your whole 20 posts or whatever it is now, feel free to come in here and chastise people you know nothing about because they aren't doing everything the way you say it should be done. Then again, how do you know they aren't, you don't know any of us at all. Interestingly you directly accuse us of doing exactly that which you yourself are doing. You tell us your ideas, and it is apparent that many of us have expressed the same ideas, and yet you say we have thought of nothing and said we have poo poo'ed your ideas when no one has done any such thing. Then you criticize us for not doing it the way you prescribe. Is that not what you just said we were doing?
One of us did post a huge resume of his political activities, which exceed those of 98% of most gun owners, myself included, then you seemingly act envious that he has had the finances to carry out these things where you yourself admit you don't. The implication is that somehow its not fair. Then you make the categorical statement that no one planning to attend the Olympia rally constitutes an organized political force. How do you know this when you proudly say that you have never attended such an event? You have no idea who attends these things. I have been to several and I can assure you that there are a number of very organized groups involved, quite likely groups far larger than yours. That is in no way to belittle your organization, rather to point out that you and your organization are FAR from the only organized group fighting the fight.
You, sir, do not know any of us here well enough to rebuke us in the manner you have seen fit to do. I am not sure what your problem is, but I am pretty certain that none of us here caused it, so kindly refrain from jumping on us any further. None of us deserve it.
Mods, if you feel you need to remove this post I will understand. I tried hard not to be rude, though I am trying to be truthful and sometimes the two are easily mistaken. I am done putting up with getting yelled at by a newbie who has no clue what he is saying. He means well, but his manner is rude and abrasive and I do not care to put up with any more of it. I said once I was done with this person, and then I felt compelled to clarify some points, but now I an honestly say that I am done with responding to him. Sorry to have troubled you.
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