Spokane Arena
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Re: Spokane Arena
Oh yes, we wouldn't want any of you law abiding good citizens to poses the ability to defend yourself if the creepy people come a calling. No, we INSIST you be rendered helpless in the name of convienience and legal protectionism from predatory prosecutors and lawyers.
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Re: Spokane Arena
WTH??? I planned on taking my wife to a concert there in a couple months, can I really not take my sidearm in there????
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I forget exactly how it is written but if it is a private event there can be guns and it is up to the venue to allow or not. I will no longer go there.
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Agreed, I have been going to the Chiefs games frequently for the last 15 years or so. I have never been to the arena and not carried. But don't think I will be going now.
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Actually, as the RCW reads, the Arena is a public district and those who are licensed under the concealed law are exempt from the restrictions. However, if a private entity leases the venue, they can determine the accessibility of weapons. I have always wanted to check with the folks at the arena to determine if they realized the licensed holders were exempt, but didn't want to give them opportunity to take away more rights. This is different than the Court House, which is written in Code that you can not carry. But they do have lockable storage to place your gun if you go there.
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Nope.ducknshoot wrote:Actually, as the RCW reads, the Arena is a public district and those who are licensed under the concealed law are exempt from the restrictions. However, if a private entity leases the venue, they can determine the accessibility of weapons. I have always wanted to check with the folks at the arena to determine if they realized the licensed holders were exempt, but didn't want to give them opportunity to take away more rights. This is different than the Court House, which is written in Code that you can not carry. But they do have lockable storage to place your gun if you go there.
The facility is owned and operated by a government entity. The RCW and the constitution of the the state are being violated if CPL holders are barred from carrying.
The only remedy is legal action.
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Never been there, and from the sound of it, I'm thinking I likely never will.
A boycott can be just as effective as legal action - just gotta contact them and let them know every time they put on a show you'd like to see, and tell them why they aren't getting any of your $$...
A boycott can be just as effective as legal action - just gotta contact them and let them know every time they put on a show you'd like to see, and tell them why they aren't getting any of your $$...
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Re: Spokane Arena
ducknshoot wrote:Actually, as the RCW reads, the Arena is a public district and those who are licensed under the concealed law are exempt from the restrictions. However, if a private entity leases the venue, they can determine the accessibility of weapons. I have always wanted to check with the folks at the arena to determine if they realized the licensed holders were exempt, but didn't want to give them opportunity to take away more rights. This is different than the Court House, which is written in Code that you can not carry. But they do have lockable storage to place your gun if you go there.
The PFD never leases the property they never surrender their property rights, the PFD does issue a license to use the facility for specific days or hours. The license to use the facility does grant some limited property rights in certain circumstances but not like a lease or renting the facility does.
Several of us pursued this for several years and it will not change until Sequim Vs PNSPA is overuled. There is so much more to it that RCW 9.41.290 and 300 a lot more.
In Pacific Northwest Shooting Park Association v City of Sequim, 158 Wash.2d 342 (2006), the court held that the City of Sequim was acting in a private capacity when leasing out a city convention center to an association conducting a gun show within the premises belonging to Sequim. The court decided that the laws that apply to public parks, public meetings and other municipally owned premises and property are not the same as restrictions imposed on private parties per a city’s contractual relations with private parties.
http://firearmslawyer.net/blog/index.ph ... 02/23/p154
Read and understand this case and then tell us that RCW 9.41.290 and 300 are the answer.
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/wa-supreme-c ... 52139.html
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They could care less if you and 10 of your friends keep your money away from their arena because that is about what it would be. To them is is nothing. There are plenty of people paying their way in to more than make up for an ineffectual and token boycott by a very few people.BC38 wrote:Never been there, and from the sound of it, I'm thinking I likely never will.
A boycott can be just as effective as legal action - just gotta contact them and let them know every time they put on a show you'd like to see, and tell them why they aren't getting any of your $$...
As Orphan said, we need numbers, as in thousands across the state to push this. Everyone likes to talk about how it needs to be changed but in the last 5-6 years only a meager two or 3 people have tried to change it, up to and including consulting lawyers from the SAF.
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Boycotting them and telling them why at every opportunity isn't a good way to effect change then?
Seems to me that 10,000 letters and emails stating such would be at least as effective as a letter to our Representatives.
Make them WANT to change the policy by hitting them in the pocketbook.
As for the letter to our Representatives, I'm down with that. What do you suggest we say? That they need to pass legislation that over-rides the rulings that the courts have already made?
Seems to me that 10,000 letters and emails stating such would be at least as effective as a letter to our Representatives.
Make them WANT to change the policy by hitting them in the pocketbook.
As for the letter to our Representatives, I'm down with that. What do you suggest we say? That they need to pass legislation that over-rides the rulings that the courts have already made?
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For a boycott to be effective it has to hurt them, I personally don't see enough dedicated people in Spokane that would do that. If you could empty the arena for a few hockey games or such that would get their attention but the likelihood of anything remotely resembling that would be nigh on impossible to do is Spokane. It is what it is.
Pocketbook warfare is a great way to effective change, if you can get it organized. On a local level that is kind of tough.
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Pocketbook warfare is a great way to effective change, if you can get it organized. On a local level that is kind of tough.
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Bob R wrote:For a boycott to be effective it has to hurt them, I personally don't see enough dedicated people in Spokane that would do that. If you could empty the arena for a few hockey games or such that would get their attention but the likelihood of anything remotely resembling that would be nigh on impossible to do is Spokane. It is what it is.
Pocketbook warfare is a great way to effective change, if you can get it organized. On a local level that is kind of tough.
bob
I see a lot of hot air in Spokane.
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Looks like this is coming into the news again. Apparently the Arena staff wouldn't let sheriff Ozzie into the hockey game with his duty weapon last night. Doubt this will change anything but thought some of you would be interested in hearing this.
http://www.khq.com/clip/13097311/spokan ... kane-arena
http://www.khq.com/clip/13097311/spokan ... kane-arena