Why a 1911 needs a rail on the dust cover

Just in time for Christmas!
Post Reply
User avatar
ron
SGT Premium Supporter
Posts: 8835
Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:31 pm
City: Cheney
State: WA
Favorite Firearm: G20SF
Next Firearm: Flintlock Rifle
Location: Cheney

Why a 1911 needs a rail on the dust cover

Post by ron » Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:38 pm

Why a 1911 needs a rail:

First of all, a 1911 in 45 ACP is the ideal home defense gun. because the 45 ACP is an excellent defensive round that operates at low pressures and doesn't have the muzzle blast of a 357 magnum or a 10mm auto or 357 sig of even a 40 S%W, and if an 8 round Wilson mag and one in the chamber isn't enough for you, there are double-stack 1911's. Either that or when you grab your gun when something goes bump in the night, grab another spare 8 round Wilson mag or even a ten round mag and you'll be good to go.

Here's a video of someone shooting a rare one-off Swartz 1911 full auto machine pistol with an extended mag (10 round? -Maybe more.) and he empties that mag pretty fast. and that gun need a rail to mount the forward grip!

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016 ... ne-pistol/
Last edited by ron on Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:36 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Government is not reason, it is not eloquence — it is force. Like fire it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.

User avatar
BigDeeeeeeee
SGT Premium Supporter
Posts: 418
Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:12 pm
City: Hauser
State: ID
Favorite Firearm: Blaser F3
Next Firearm: CZ TSO or Sig P210
Location: Searching for New Yaak

Re: Why a 1911 needs a rail on the dust cover

Post by BigDeeeeeeee » Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:54 pm

ron wrote: Here's a video of someone shooting a rare one-off Swartz 1911 full auto machine pistol with an extended mag (10 round?) and he empties that mag pretty fast.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016 ... ne-pistol/
That's pretty sexy. Closest I could time it was about a half second which would be about 1200/min rate. :shock:
Darren

Grace_Hunter07
Apprentice Gun Trader
Posts: 162
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:51 am
City: Spokane Valley
Favorite Firearm: 700Rem
Next Firearm: ???

Re: Why a 1911 needs a rail on the dust cover

Post by Grace_Hunter07 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:38 pm

What the $&%! is a 'dust cover'???

I looked online to see if I can buy one...I can not...

I read through my buddies M1911 service manual...I saw nothing of this illusive 'dust cover'

I asked several vets about where the 'dust cover' was on a M1911...(almost got my ass kicked for them thinking I was being a smart-ass)

I searched many schematics on 1911's looking for this 'dust cover'...found nothing...

So, my question is...When did we start making up new names for parts? Why are people not learning what parts are? And most importantly,

User avatar
edzz
SGT Premium Supporter
Posts: 1834
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:36 pm
City: Hayden
State: ID
Favorite Firearm: M-14
Next Firearm: TBD
SGT Supporter: Yes
Location: North of CDA

Re: Why a 1911 needs a rail on the dust cover

Post by edzz » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:18 pm

The portion of the frame forward of the trigger guard.
Ed

The Few
The Proud

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.

Drewbanski
Gun Trader
Posts: 292
Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:24 am
City: Spokane, Washington
Favorite Firearm: Savage Mark II FV-SR
Next Firearm: DW Bruin

Re: Why a 1911 needs a rail on the dust cover

Post by Drewbanski » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:21 pm

Sorry, but what, exactly was the point?
A 1911 does not now, nor has it ever in the span of 100 years needed a rail.

User avatar
edzz
SGT Premium Supporter
Posts: 1834
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:36 pm
City: Hayden
State: ID
Favorite Firearm: M-14
Next Firearm: TBD
SGT Supporter: Yes
Location: North of CDA

Re: Why a 1911 needs a rail on the dust cover

Post by edzz » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:17 pm

Drewbanski wrote:Sorry, but what, exactly was the point?
A 1911 does not now, nor has it ever in the span of 100 years needed a rail.

How else are you going to mount your bayonet? :?

Image
Ed

The Few
The Proud

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.

Drewbanski
Gun Trader
Posts: 292
Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:24 am
City: Spokane, Washington
Favorite Firearm: Savage Mark II FV-SR
Next Firearm: DW Bruin

Re: Why a 1911 needs a rail on the dust cover

Post by Drewbanski » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:31 pm

edzz wrote:
Drewbanski wrote:Sorry, but what, exactly was the point?
A 1911 does not now, nor has it ever in the span of 100 years needed a rail.

How else are you going to mount your bayonet? :?

Image

Image

Grace_Hunter07
Apprentice Gun Trader
Posts: 162
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:51 am
City: Spokane Valley
Favorite Firearm: 700Rem
Next Firearm: ???

Re: Why a 1911 needs a rail on the dust cover

Post by Grace_Hunter07 » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:01 am

Okay, So now why are we re-naming parts???

Its the Mother-Fing frame...LMAO!! Its not a separate piece, its not a new component, its just the frame!

If you want to buy a 1911 frame with a rail, you search for a 1911 FRAME W/ RAIL

Not some magical made up 'tacticool' term of 'railed-dust cover'...

MOD EDIT

Grace_Hunter07
Apprentice Gun Trader
Posts: 162
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:51 am
City: Spokane Valley
Favorite Firearm: 700Rem
Next Firearm: ???

Re: Why a 1911 needs a rail on the dust cover

Post by Grace_Hunter07 » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:42 pm

Not gonna lie...I feel so special and loved when I get censored by the Mods on here...

Masonryman
Senior Pro Gun Trader
Posts: 4274
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:55 pm
City: Benewah Valley
State: ID
Favorite Firearm: FiveseveN
SGT Supporter: Yes

Re: Why a 1911 needs a rail on the dust cover

Post by Masonryman » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:50 pm

Grace_Hunter07 wrote:Not gonna lie...I feel so special and loved when I get censored by the Mods on here...
If you read and follow this link the Mods won't need
to babysit your posts :idea:

Good grief..how difficult can it be?

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=39233




MM
You can ignore reality... but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.

User avatar
bladebum
Retired Global Moderator, SGT Administrator and Founding member
Posts: 14106
Joined: Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:14 pm
City: Spokane
State: WA
Favorite Firearm: Glock 41
SGT Supporter: Yes
Location: Northeast Side

Re: Why a 1911 needs a rail on the dust cover

Post by bladebum » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:12 pm

Grace_Hunter07 wrote:Not gonna lie...I feel so special and loved when I get censored by the Mods on here...
I had the option to edit or ban... Did I make a mistake choosing the edit? Time will tell... :|
Fate whispers to the warrior, "You cannot withstand the storm" The warrior whispers back, "I am the storm"
"I am a sheepdog, I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf" Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
"Life is Short, Don't Waste It"

User avatar
Flawlessfoose
SGT Premium Supporter
Posts: 2611
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:18 pm
City: Spokane Valley
State: Wa
Next Firearm: M134

Re: Why a 1911 needs a rail on the dust cover

Post by Flawlessfoose » Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:01 pm

Personally, I love a rail on a 1911. Why? Because I think a 1911 is one of the best designs, and being able to put a light on it makes it even more useful, like seeing what your 1911s pointed at in the dark!
Does anybody want to trade me my SA TRP non rail for there railed version?
WARNING... SIGS ARE ADDICTIVE KEEP OUT OF REACH OF ADULTS .

Nathan1984
Member
Posts: 94
Joined: Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:29 pm
City: Spokane/wa

Re: Why a 1911 needs a rail on the dust cover

Post by Nathan1984 » Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:36 pm

There have been a number of changes that John Moses Browning didn't include in the original design. We also don't shoot one hand on hip anymore. Putting a light on any defensive firearm is super handy.

User avatar
edzz
SGT Premium Supporter
Posts: 1834
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:36 pm
City: Hayden
State: ID
Favorite Firearm: M-14
Next Firearm: TBD
SGT Supporter: Yes
Location: North of CDA

Re: Why a 1911 needs a rail on the dust cover

Post by edzz » Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:47 pm

Nathan1984 wrote:There have been a number of changes that John Moses Browning didn't include in the original design. We also don't shoot one hand on hip anymore. Putting a light on any defensive firearm is super handy.

Handy yes however potentially dangerous. If your using it to clear a room or such you are sweeping every thing and anyone in the room with your muzzle. Remember in some locals the act of pointing a firearm at someone can be considered a violation of the law. Let alone the concept of sweeping a loved one in the process. May be better to have a separate light and learn how to use it tactically. IIRC Ed at Center Target Sports still runs a low light course, may be worth the time and money.
Ed

The Few
The Proud

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.

Nathan1984
Member
Posts: 94
Joined: Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:29 pm
City: Spokane/wa

Re: Why a 1911 needs a rail on the dust cover

Post by Nathan1984 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:56 pm

I never bought into the sweeping argument. Low ready/position sol with a light on casts enough light that you can pick up whether you need to be directing light and consequently the muzzle AT the whatever. While I'll agree that not everyone needs a weapon mounted light, it's an excellent thing for certain folks. Yes, get training, all the training. Vet your instructors, keeping in mind firearms instructing is one of the most unregulated industries out there.

I was just responding to the OP asking about the rail on 1911's, again, for certain people it's an excellent evolution in the 1911 design.

User avatar
Flawlessfoose
SGT Premium Supporter
Posts: 2611
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:18 pm
City: Spokane Valley
State: Wa
Next Firearm: M134

Re: Why a 1911 needs a rail on the dust cover

Post by Flawlessfoose » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:59 pm

Nathan1984 wrote:I never bought into the sweeping argument. Low ready/position sol with a light on casts enough light that you can pick up whether you need to be directing light and consequently the muzzle AT the whatever. While I'll agree that not everyone needs a weapon mounted light, it's an excellent thing for certain folks. Yes, get training, all the training. Vet your instructors, keeping in mind firearms instructing is one of the most unregulated industries out there.

I was just responding to the OP asking about the rail on 1911's, again, for certain people it's an excellent evolution in the 1911 design.
Yes sir, my thoughts as well.
WARNING... SIGS ARE ADDICTIVE KEEP OUT OF REACH OF ADULTS .

Post Reply